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Windows Small Business Server 2008 Migration
August 22, 2008
Some notes from today’s Microsoft Partner Program webcast on SBS2008 migration…
Solutions Pathway
Microsoft is providing an easy way to figure out what the licensing scenarios may be for you:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/essential/pathway.mspx
Shows you supported scenarios and the discount that will be applied.
Preparing the network for migration
Migration highlights:
- 21-day grace period to complete the migration
- Answer file generator must be used
- Migrate without taking down servers
- Destination server joins the existing domain (replica DC)
- Uninterrupted mail flow between both servers
- No need to touch client workstations
Migration should be able to take place during business hours even!
Pre-migration tasks:
- Perform a virus scan
- Configure a full backup of the source server (include boot and system partitions, and system state)
- Make sure you have any 3rd-party backup software that you might need available
- Verify the backup (restore random files)
- Exchange Server: Verify database integrity, Delete unnecessary mail, Archive old mail (for speed of migration)
- Remove junk documents: SharePoint, Shared folders, Former employees’ profile folders
- SBS 2003 Best Practice Analyzer (SBS BPA) checks:
- Exchange Server
- Update service
- Network configuration
- WSS
- SQL Server
- Windows support tools
- Netdiag (Help isolate network/connectivity issues)
- Dcdiag (analyze state of DC’s)
- Repadmin (replication)
- Make sure source server has the latest service packs (SBS2003SP1, Windows Server 2003 SP2, Exchange Server 2003 SP2, WSS 2.0) – anything critical/recommended
Next, we need to raise the functional level of the domain and forest. First, remove any Windows 2000 or Windows NT 4.0 domain controllers. Then, raise the functional level of both the Active Directory Domain and the Active Directory Forest.
Next, make sure that we you can migrate any line-of-business applications. Make sure LOBs are supported on Windows Server 2008, supported in 64-bit, Kernel-Mode software is signed.
Verify network settings:
- SBS2008 requires a separate router/firewall device at the edge of the network
- If necessary, you need to change the way your routing/network works so the SBS2003 server is running in a single NIC mode (it cannot be the router)
- On the router, verify that the network uses a private IP address range (192.168.0.0/24, 172.16.0.0/12, 10.0.0.0/8)
- Specify IP addresses in the answer file
The migration wizard will turn off DHCP on the source server during migration.
Run the Migration Perparation Tool (in the Tools folder of the SBS2008 DVD) on the SBS2003 server. It will do the following:
- Runs Adprep.exe and extends the Active Directory Domain Services.
- Installs a QFE extending the migration time limit (requires reboot).
- Prepares Source Server to migrate Exchange Server 2003.
- In order to run the tool, you must be a memeber of the Enterprise Admins group, the Schema Admins groups, and the Domain Admins group.
- Since this requires a reboot, you may want to run it in advance.
When you are migrating, mail flow is enabled between both Exchange servers. No need to worry about where the mail ends up as you’re migrating mailboxes.
SBS2008 has new group policies and logon scripts, so you need to make sure you remove them before you do the migration. Then put any logon scripts back in place on the new server after testing.
Automating the Installation
To perform a migration, you must create an answer file using SBSAfg.exe found in the Tools folder of the SBS2008 DVD.
Allows you to optionally enable unattended mode for the installation.
Make sure that the time zone information matches between the servers.
Source server information:
- Domain administrator account
- Password
- Source server name
- Source domain name
- Source server IP address
- Default gateway
- Checkbox to indicate whether DHCP is running on the Source Server
Destination server information:
- Server name
- IP address
Put the sbsanswerfile.xml file in the root directory of any removable media, such as a flash drive, before starting installation.
Tasks performed in migration mode:
- Installs and configures SBS2008
- Joins the destination server to the existing domain
- Extends the migration grace period to 21 days
- Transfers FSMOs to the new server
- Destination server becomes the global catalog server
- Destination becomes the site licensing server
- Installs and configures the DHCP service on the destination server
Note that the migration performs PERMANENT changes on the source server.
Migrating settings and data
After installation, click the “Start the Migration Wizard” link. This wizard walks you through the following steps.
- Change where to store data on the Destination Server (Exchange Server, WSS, shared files, Windows Update Repository)
- Configure the network
- Run the Connect to the Internet Wizard (configures all of the outbound Internet access)
- Run the Internet Address Management Wizard (configures the inbound mail/web access)
- Migrate network settings
- Migrate DNS forwarders
- Migrate Mobile Users group
- Gives you instructions for how to migrate your SSL certificate from your old server
- Migrate Exchange Server mailboxes/settings (document in the wizard walks you through the steps, using the Exchange native tools – not an SBS wizard)
- Remove Internet connectors
- Remove POP3 connectors
- Move mailboxes
- Move offline address book
- Move Exchange Server public folders
- Have users close Outlook and reopen it after the mailbox is moved, and Outlook will automatically update itself to point to the new server.
- Mail will continue to flow while you are migrating Exchange Server data and settings.
- Remove legacy Group Policy objects and logon scripts
- Modified logon scripts should be renamed
- Logon scripts only apply to accounts added by the Add User Wizard
- Delete all Small Business Server GPOs
- Remove WMI filters
- Migrate users’ shared folders and users’ folder redirection settings (will open a document on how you perform the migration)
- Identify shared folders on source server
- Document share permission on source server
- Create new shares on destination server
- Configure security settings on new server
- Migrate the internal web site (document outlines the migration documentation)
- Migrate fax data (there is an automated Migration Fax Wizard available)
- Migrate groups
- They are copied during initial migration
- Must assign Created value using ADSIedit
- Migrate user accounts
- Create custom user roles on the destination server
- Use the Change User Role Wizard
- Map permitted computers to user accounts
You will need to do the following steps to “decommission” the old server within 21 days:
- Uninstall Exchange Server 2003
- Uninstall Exchange before demoting the Source Server
- Removed references in AD DS
- Demote the Source Server
- Run dcpromo
- Remove Source Server form AD DS
- What should you do with the Source Server
- Reformat it
- Install a server operating system – it can’t be running SBS2003 anymore
- Set it up for use as additional server
- Note that once it doesn’t have the roles, it will shut itself down because it is out of licensing compliance
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about 4 years ago
Thanks Joe for putting together your notes and publishing them. I found them useful to review as I’m prepping just before taking the SBS 2008 Beta test.
about 4 years ago
Thanks! But feel free to call me John, not Joe.
about 4 years ago
Hi John,
How would the above steps be different if you were installing SBS 2008 into an existing small network with two domain controllers (2000 & 2003) but with no SBS 2003 server?
Thanks!
about 4 years ago
That’s a great question. I’m not really sure of the answer. In SBS2003, there was a great MS Knowledgebase article that walked you through what you needed to do to migrate from Windows Server 2000/2003 to SBS2003. The core of the procedure was that SBS2003 had to hold all of the FSMO roles for the domain. The same holds true in SBS2008; it has to hold all of the FSMO roles. I would expect to see a knowledgebase article that explains how to migrate from Windows Server 2000/2003 to SBS2008. However, I do not believe it is a guided process like the SBS2003->SBS2008 process is.
about 4 years ago
Great article. We are looking at migrating a client from SBS 2003 to SBS 2008 or EBS 2008. We cannot find documentation on the Exchange storage size. With SBS 2003 it was 75GB. Do you know what that liimit is? Where can we read an article on those type of features? Also, regular Exchange 2008 requires x64 Server. Will SBS/EBS2008 require that type of hardware?
Thanks!
about 4 years ago
Thanks!
The database limit for Exchange Server 2007 Standard Edition (what is bundled into SBS2008) is 16TB.
(source: http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/evaluation/editions.mspx)
In answer to your second question, because Exchange Server 2007 requires 64-bit, the PRIMARY server in SBS2008 has to be a 64-bit operating system. If you get SBS2008 Premium Edition, then your secondary server can still be running on 32-bit.
about 4 years ago
What happens when you migrate the shared folders? Can the users access files at this time while the server is migrating the data from the shared folders?
about 4 years ago
Hi Alex. You would probably want to move the shared folders off hours. Nothing magical here. The shared folders will have a new UNC path (\\newserver\sharename intead of \\oldserver\sharename), so you would need to change any shortcuts etc. unless you are mapping a shared drive letter in a login script.
about 4 years ago
Now I need an article on backing out the migration. I have a feeling that I am going to run into unknown problems and am going to want to back out and research the problems.
about 4 years ago
Larry,
The migration wizard doesn’t really do anything magical. The main thing it’s doing is transferring all of the FSMO roles over to the new server. So if you don’t have much experience with managing FSMO roles in Active Directory, you might want to make sure to have a good resource available who could help you with any problems you might have. But the basics of rolling back would be to give the old server back all of the FSMO roles, otherwise it will start turning itself off after the grace period expires. And of course, if you’ve migrated mail then you’d have to move all of your Exchange mailboxes back over. Moving backward is bound to be messy, though, so I would say try to avoid it at all costs. Make sure your new hardware is in good shape before moving forward. Also, I would suggest practicing the migration scenarios. I believe that Microsoft has a number of HyperV / Virtual PC images (VHD’s) that you can download to simulate the migrations, and they may be available online as hand-on labs (where you connect into the virtual machines).
Good luck!
about 4 years ago
is it possible to migrate server 2000 to SBS server 2008 and if so where can i get info to do it
about 4 years ago
Tim,
I haven’t run across anything about that migration. I’m almost positive that the question was asked before, and the answer was that the built-in migration tools do NOT handle moving from SBS2000 to SBS2008. So that means that you’re back to the approach of manually migrating over the FSMO roles, as well as any Exchange Server mailboxes.
about 4 years ago
John,
Thanks that is what i thought i appreciate your time.
Tim
about 4 years ago
John,
Microsoft never has said what would happen if the source server was not demoted by 21 days. Have you seen or heard of anyone keeping the source server online for another month? Not uninstalling Exchange and not demoting the server.
Ron
about 4 years ago
When that time period expires, the server will start randomly initiating shutdowns. It’s pretty scary when it first happens to you. This timeout happens whenever the SBS 2003 server does not hold ALL of the Active Directory FSMO roles.
The timeout period is usually shorter — 7 days if I’m remembering correctly. I’ve run into this first-hand when installing an SBS 2003 server into an existing domain (and forgetting to transfer all of the FSMO roles over to the new server). When you first upgrade to SBS 2008, a patch extends that timeout to the 21 day value.
Unfortunately, there is no way to extend the timeout period longer.
about 4 years ago
John,
Let’s say it has been at least 2 months since the 21 day period was up and it seems the Exchange on the 2008 server is not functioning unless the Exchange on the 2003 server is functioning. Would uninstalling Exchange on 2003 completely kill Exchange on 2008 or fix the issue?
Ron
about 4 years ago
How about when you don’t do a migration but a fresh install on a new server…the users did not have a server just a usb drive with their data. After everything was done all seems to work fine except the server randomly denies access to folders that are shared with all the proper permissions in place.
about 4 years ago
Ron – It sounds like the old server must still have all of the primary Active Directory roles (the FSMO roles), or it would definitely be shutting itself down. I definitely think something didn’t go right in the migration. It sounds to me like the migration didn’t really run, and that the old SBS server is still doing most of the work.
about 4 years ago
Scott,
All I can really suggest is making sure that you have the users’ computers properly joined to the new SBS server’s domain. Make sure you followed all of the steps to join a computer to the SBS network.
One other thought… make sure that you’re letting SBS handle DHCP on your network. This ensures that users’ computers will be pointing the DNS to the SBS server, which is necessary for Active Directory authentication to function properly.
about 4 years ago
Great Info!!
So what if your client only has one server? I understand you have to migrate from Box to Box. So I see I will need to have some sort of box there as a destination box. The problem I see is that I will need to somehow get the newly migrated server 2008 on the Source server that is 2003. How would you proceed?
about 4 years ago
Hi all,
Thanks a lot for this article. I have the following task to do : add a sbs 2008 to a server 2003 domain (they don’t use Exchange yet). This is the first time I’m doing this, so I’m pretty afraid I will screw something up.
I cannot format the 2003 server, because there are software on it that they need and that cannot be reinstalled. Is this going to be a problem ? You mention that we have to have sbs premium so that another server stays on 32 bit? Have I understood well ?
about 4 years ago
Todd S,
Strange situation — needing to use the same hardware that was running SBS2003 for SBS2008. Most people’s hardware would be pretty outdated by the time they need to upgrade an operating system. Additionally, I’m surprised that this would be cost effective. Buying an OEM license for SBS2008 (along with new hardware) is usually much cheaper than getting it through retail or volume licensing.
However, if you really need to accomplish this, I think you will need to use some kind of approach that employs a virtual computer (using Virtual Server / Virtual PC / etc on another physical box). So either (a) migrate to a virtual computer running SBS2003, then upgrade to your new physical installation of SBS2008; or (b) migrate your physical SBS2003 to a virutal computer running SBS2008, then migrate over to your new physical SBS2008 box. You’d want to research this approach a bit though. For option (a), I found this article about migrating SBS2003 to new hardware:
technet.microsoft.com/…/cc747454.aspx
Good luck!
John R. Pattison
about 4 years ago
Hi Stephane,
You can’t have an SBS2003 computer and an SBS2008 computer running in the same domain simultaneously due to licensing restrictions. If you try, then whichever computer is not holding all of the FSMO roles will routinely turn itself off.
Regarding SBS Premium, what it gives you a license to run a second server on either 32-bit or 63-bit Windows Server 2008. This would not help you with leaving your SBS2003 box running.
About the only solution I can think of is to leave your SBS2003 box running in the old domain, and then set up a whole new domain with your SBS2008 box and migrate all of your clients over to it (in other words, don’t do a server migration). If you have the same user accounts set up in both domains, people should still be able to authenticate to the old server. You will have to make sure you switch DHCP and DNS over to the new server though. Fortunately, since they’re not using Exchange, that simplifies things a lot, in that you won’t have to worry about migrating that configuration and data. There are likely other issues you will have to think through with this approach, but essentially there is no reason you can’t have two separate domains running simultaneously.
Best of luck,
John R. Pattison
about 4 years ago
Thanks John for the time you spent answering.
Now I don’t have SBS, juste Windows 2003. So you can have a W2k Server with Windows 2003, but you can’t have Windows 2003 with SBS 2008 ?
I thought I could stop essentiel services on the 2003 (dhcp, dns as you mention…) and put whatever is mandatory on the 2008.
about 4 years ago
Stephane,
I understand now. There’s no problem with running SBS2008 simultaneously with Windows Server 2003. You don’t even need to get the Premium Edition of SBS2008. You just have to make sure that the SBS2008 server has all of the FSMO roles etc, just like you said.
about 4 years ago
Here’s one for you, what about migrating an SBS 08 server to another SBS 08 server? We setup an SBS server last month and have major hardware related issues, so we are replacing that box with another brand and model to aleviate the problems. I was planning on doing the join and take-over scenario versus the migration scenario. What are your feelings on this?
about 4 years ago
Fred,
In SBS2003, it was simply a matter of joining the new SBS server to the domain, and then transferring all of the FSMO roles over within (if I remember correctly) 14 days. I assume the same will apply in SBS2008. Microsoft had a knowledgebase article detailing all of the steps in SBS2003, so I would be amazed if they haven’t brought out the same for SBS2008.
Of course, you won’t be able to still leave your old SBS08 server running, as it will shut itself down when it’s not holding the FSMO roles. But it sounds like that’s your intention anyway.
Best of luck,
John R. Pattison
about 4 years ago
John
I saw the comment above about going from 2000 to 2008SBS. Not sure if the person meant standard or SBS but I have a client that has 2000 standard server with no exchange on it. They only want to keep the domain name the same. Can the migration tool work on a 2000 standard server? The only thing I have to actually move is data. I’ve been looking and not found a direct answer. I’m waiting on my software still so dont have it to try.
about 4 years ago
Robert,
I don’t think that the migration tool will do it for you in this case, but there must be a knowledgebase article on joining SBS2008 to an existing domain. I know that this was possible with SBS2003, as I did it several times. However, it was always necessary to wipe out any OEM preinstalled version of SBS2008 and install it from scratch, then join it to the domain and move over all of the primary roles. Here is the article for how to do it in SBS2003; didn’t see one (quickly looking) for SBS2008, but the approach would be similar: support.microsoft.com/…/884453
about 4 years ago
I am in the same boat. Surely Microsoft wants their Server 2000 customers to move to SBS 2008. Has anyone found info on this? I was thinking about finding a dprecated copy of sbs2003 and moving from server 2000 to that. Then migrating using the assistant to the SBS2008 software.
Thanks for any and all help,
-Scott
about 4 years ago
I am in the process of a 2000 to 2008 migration. I setup a laptop on 2003 r2. After running my adpreps, i have setup the laptop as both an active directory and global catalog. The laptop now has everything I would think it needs for 2008. I am currently stuck in the answer file, as it says the sbs2008 can’t login to the domain even though it can ping the 2003 ip and machine name. Not sure where to go from here.
about 4 years ago
John, thanks for the great article. I have SBS2003 and a new server waiting for me to put SBS2008 on it and migrate the 2003 data.
The new server is currently running Windows Server 2008 and 1 virtual machine with Hyper V.
I would like to install the SBS2008 as a virtual machine and then migrate from SBS2003. The main reason for doing so is that I can quickly take snapshots of the machine for easy backups and move it to new hardware more rapidly should the need arise.
What are your thoughts on this?
Chris
about 4 years ago
Chris,
I love that idea! Most people don’t do that simply from the aspect of licensings, but it’s absolutely the best way to go. Like you said, it’s absolutely great for migration, disaster recovery, etc.
Don’t forget that SBS2008 requires 64-bit. Hyper-V, of course, supports 64-bit guests as long as it’s running under the 64-bit version of Windows Server 2008.
Best of luck.
John R. Pattison
about 4 years ago
Mitchell,
The only thing I can think of offhand is to make sure that the DNS server on your new SBS2008 box is set to your 2003 box. Just to verify, you mentioned that you set up that laptop with "2003" — do you mean Windows Server 2003 or Small Business Server 2003?
John R. Pattison
about 4 years ago
Scott,
I think your suggestion of migrating VIA SBS2003 would work. The other thing you could do is skip using the built-in SBS2008 migration tools and just do the migration yourself. You would need to start with a fresh installation of SBS2008 (without Exchange installed yet), join your SBS2008 box to your 2000 network, make it a domain controller, move all of the FSMO roles over to the new SBS2008 box, migrate your data + login scripts + etc, decomission your 2000 box, upgrade Active Directory to 2008 level, and then install Exchange Server. I may not have included all of the steps there (just thinking about this off the top of my head), but that would be the general approach. I haven’t run across a specific MSKB article about this; please let me know if you find a good writeup.
Thanks,
John R. Pattison
about 4 years ago
One more note on these more complex migrations, such as 2000 to SBS2008… make sure you have someone who really is an expert in Active Directory on hand to do things like this. If you don’t know what I mean by "transfer all of the FSMO roles" then you really need to find someone to partner with and bring in for migrations such as this — preferrably an MCSE or MCITP on Windows Server. Active Directory can be very complicated, so if you’re beyond the scope of Microsoft’s simple migration scenarios, bring in an expert (if you’re not one).
Best of luck,
John R. Pattison
about 4 years ago
Hi John
Thanks for the notes.
One question.. Suppose you want to migrate and keep the old sbs 2003 server name on the new sbs 2008 server, do you have any experience with that on sbs 2008?
about 4 years ago
Hi Dennes,
I don’t know of any way to do that during the migration, since for a short period of time both the SBS2003 and SBS2008 servers are running (as things get transferred over, etc). I suppose that after the SBS2003 server is commissions, that you could change the server name of the SBS2008 server, but I’m not really sure of what the ramifications of that would be in Active Directory. Personally, I wouldn’t do it.
Best of luck,
John R. Pattison
about 4 years ago
John,
Thanks for the information.
Can we use the Migration mode to move from a Windows 2008 domain to SBS 2008?
I have a client that is a great candidate for SBS 2008 but was oversold Windows 2008 and Exchange by another company.
My plan is to install 2008 SBS as a virtual machine on another server, run the migration and then decommission the old Exchange and DC. I know that I can do this manually but would love to not have to move the clients to a new domain.
Do you know if this is possible? The client is willing to purchase the new SBS licensing.
about 4 years ago
Thanks for all the info John, you must be getting tired of this discussion.
I need to migrate from Server 2003 to SBS2008. I thought your instructions were appropriate. Then you seem to indicate your instructions were for migration for SBS2003 to SBS2008.
Would you mind clarifying? Thanks, Sean
about 4 years ago
Sean-
I wrote these specific instructions for the process of migrating from SBS2003 to SBS2008. I’m not positive what changes for going from Server 2003 to SBS2008. I would assume that the automated migration tools can still handle the Active Directory aspect of things. If you’re running Exchange on the current infrastructure, I’m not sure that the migration tools will migrate over those mailboxes, but that’s easy to handle yourself.
Best of luck,
John
about 4 years ago
Ed,
I don’t believe that the automated migration tools will handle a Server 2008 to SBS2008 migration, but the process isn’t that bad to do yourself. Essentially, you need to start with a fresh installation of SBS2008 (NOT an OEM installation), join it to your 2008 domain, transfer ALL of the FSMO roles over to it (and make it a GC in DNS), join it to the Exchange org, and then migrate all of your mailboxes over to it.
Best wishes,
John
about 4 years ago
Has anyone found a way to upgrade a w2k8 server to sbs2k8? I have a w2k8 server with all 5 FSMO roles in an AD domain and would like to upgrade the server to SBS2K8. There is no Exchange in the Domain. I’ve done the W2K3 to SBS2K3 without problem, but can’t find a tool to do the same to SBS2K8. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
about 4 years ago
The migration should simply involve:
- start with a fresh installation of SBS2008 (NOT an OEM installation)
- run dcpromo to join it to your 2008 domain
- transfer ALL of the FSMO roles over to it (and make it a GC in DNS)
After that, you should be able to install Exchange Server using the SBS2008 setup tools.
Best wishes,
John
about 4 years ago
John,
I will give that a try. I moved the PDC so that I wouldn’t be forced into moving all the data and taking the users down, but with no upgrade path and installing w2k8 on the soon to be sbs2k8, It looks like I pushed myself into a corner. I am going to take the current PDC W2K8 to a vmware image and then try what you suggest. Do you think that is a waste? The current W2K3 server has far too many apps and data to deal with so I don’t really want to push the PDC back to it.
Much appreciated, Ken
about 4 years ago
Ken,
Sounds like a reasonable approach!
John
about 4 years ago
Thanks for the fast response. I will post how it turns out.
about 4 years ago
Hi!
First of all, great article. I’m just about to preforming a migration from a 2003 SBS to a 2008 SBS. It has started pretty good, both of the servers is up and running. It’s now I have big problems. When I tried to run the Migration Wizard I just get: Windows 2008 Server Migration Wizard has stop working. I don’t know how to get around this…
Best regards, Tomas
about 4 years ago
Hi, is it essential that you change the private IP address range to 192.168.0.0/24 etc. I have a 10.10.80.0/24 range and the installation doesn’t seem to be picking up the answer file. Would the ip range be my problem? Thanks in advance
about 4 years ago
Hello,
Why does SBS2008 requires a separate router/firewall device at the edge of the network? What will happen if I do not install a separate router?
Thanks in advance!
about 4 years ago
What do you have to do keep the old server running?
Demote it or rename the domain?
about 4 years ago
ICT,
To leave the old server running, you HAVE TO wipe it and either (1) reload a DIFFERENT operating system (it can’t still be running SBS2003, because SBS2003 has to hold all of the FSMO roles on it), or (2) wipe it, reload SBS2003, and give it a different domain name during the setup process.
John
about 4 years ago
hi john
we presently use one server with sbs2003 premium. this hosts our line of business applications, incl crm.
we now purchsed sbs08 premium and a new server.
we do not want to format the old server – this would mean reinstallation of l.o.b. applications – not something we want to do.
can we install sbs 08 on the new server, move AD and exchange across and continue to use the old server without cleaning it in any way?
about 4 years ago
Clint,
Unfortunately, this is not an option. SBS2003 will shut down itself after (I believe it is) 30 days if it does not hold all of the FSMO roles.
You could put Windows Server 2008 on your new server instead (would have to buy a separate license), but then you’d have to stay on Exchange 2003 (unless you purchase a separate Exchange 2008 license for the new server). Alternatively, you could create a new domain for the new server, but then you’d have to change user passwords in two places, etc (not ideal).
The reality is that if you do an upgrade from SBS2003 to SBS2008, you can’t keep using the SBS2003 server without wiping it and reloading a DIFFERENT operating system (e.g. Windows Server 2003/2008).
Best of luck,
John
about 4 years ago
Anthony,
I don’t believe the problem is your IP address range. I think I remember seeing that 10.0… is fine to use as an internal IP address range in SBS2008.
John
about 4 years ago
Michael,
Regarding requiring a separate router. There is now a whitepaper available on using ISA Server with SBS2008. However, in its out-of-the-box configuration, SBS2008 can’t be used as the router on your network. Of course, just like with previous versions of SBS, you can configure the Routing manually, but usually that breaks wizards and causes a mess. My advice is to just use a cheap router as the first hop on the Internet. If you need something more advanced, how about something like a Watchguard firewall. And if you really need more advanced than that, then look up that whitepaper on using ISA Server with SBS 2008.
Best of luck,
John R. Pattison
about 3 years ago
John,
Also many thanks for your notes and responses above. I am near a SBS2003 to SBS2008 Std migration. My SBS2003 box hardware is still pretty relevant and using the Solutions Pathway license migration, I can actually beat any of the OEM offerings I have found.
That said, my thought is to use the following steps:
1. Install SBS2008 on a VHD hosted on a box running MS Hyper-V Server.
2. Migrate from the SBS2003 to the SBS2008 VHD using your notes, etc. above.
3. Wiping the SBS2003 box and installing MS Hyper-V Server.
4. Move the SBS2008 VHD to that box.
Please let me know if you think that will work. Once concern I have about moving the SBS2008 VHD around (both under my scenario above and in as disaster recovery scenario) is that the Exchange database seems tied to the box its installed one. Does the VHD become the "box" for these purposes?
Thanks in advance for your response!
Larry
about 3 years ago
Larry,
As far as I’m aware, your approach should work out great. Hyper-V creates a layer of abstraction that eliminates any machine-specific factors (drivers, etc). So as far as your virtual SBS2008 system is concerned, it won’t know that it has moved from one physical server to another, because it will still just see all of the same virtual devices that Hyper-V Server exposes to it.
The only added complexity here is that external USB disks that are to be used for backup will first have to be configured as "passthrough discs" in Hyper-V (easy to do). Additionally, you wouldn’t be able to use any non-storage USB devices on your server (unlikely that you would need to).
Best wishes,
John
about 3 years ago
John Great site!!
I am about to do a SBS 2003 To SBS 2008 migration all is clear to me except the Server Name and IP.
I thought destination server needs to be as the source server? Otherwise I will have a problems with the client machines connecting to the old server name.
Hope you can import on this
Thank’s
Paul
about 3 years ago
Hi Paul,
I’m glad you’re enjoying the site!
Since the old server and the new server will be on the network at the same time, they need to have unique IP addresses and names.
After you complete the migration, there are ways that you can add the old server name as a sort of ALIAS to the new server name. That way when you go to \\oldserver\someshare it actually translates to \\newserver\someshare. The essence of the process is to add an entry to DNS for the old server name pointing to the new server’s IP addres. The process is covered in detail in David Overton’s SBS migration book (my review is at http://tinyurl.com/sbsbook or you can order the book at http://tinyurl.com/buySBSbook). I really recommend giving David’s book a quick read before doing a 2003 to 2008 migration. It has lots of screenshots of the process and will get you familiar with everything before you actually "pull the trigger".
Best wishes,
John R. Pattison
about 3 years ago
John thank’s a lot for you input your review of David Overton’s book is also very persuading so I may do just that. Keep up with this informative site.
about 3 years ago
John,
I appreciate your efforts here!. I have a client that is currently running sbs2003, and would like to "upgrade" to sbs2008 using the same hardware. I’ve verified the hardware is 64bit compatible. They aren’t using Exchange. Is there any reason I couldn’t backup the Act database and other critical data and just do a clean install of sbs2008 on the same server and restore the data?
about 3 years ago
Mike,
The only problem I can think of here is that you would have to re-join your workstations to the new domain, as well as recreating all users, security settings, etc.
Best wishes,
John R. Pattison
about 3 years ago
Getting ready for sbs2003 -> sbs2008 migration.
Have re-configured from 2 NIC -> 1 NIC.
Ran the Best Practice Analyser, and it said we should upgrade ISA 2000 to 2004. Is this necessary/desirable?
TIA
Phil.
about 3 years ago
Phil,
The best practice is to move off of ISA 2000 onto a separate router device. Remember that you’re going to be decomissioning your old server, so it can no longer act as the router. ISA Server no longer comes with SBS2008, so your new SBS2008 server can’t be the router without installing a separately-licensed copy of ISA Server or other router software, and it wouldn’t be integrated into the management consoles like it was in SBS2003.
For these reasons, it’s usually just easier and cleaner to get an inexpensive router (can be as simple as a Linksys/Netgear router, or something a step up like a Watchguard or Sonicwall device).
Best wishes,
John R. Pattison
about 3 years ago
OK. Thanks.
The migration guide said that you needed to switch to a single NIC set-up. I assumed this was just a requirement of the migration process. I hadn’t realised SBS no longer supports this set-up at all.
We do have an ISA server license available that we could use. Alternatively we also have EBS2008 (from the Action Pack). Would we be better off using this?
about 3 years ago
Phil,
Tough to say without knowing more of the details, but it sounds like you have a good handle on the options.
EBS2008 does come with Forefront Threat Management Gateway, so that would solve the need of a firewall. However, EBS2008 requires three separate systems.
If your routing needs are simple, I would stick with SBS2008 with just a simple physical router.
Best wishes,
John
about 3 years ago
The modem router we have is a Netgear WAG354G.
about 3 years ago
OK. Thanks.
I think we’ll run with the simple set-up as you suggest.
about 3 years ago
Really comprehensive and all the feedback is also very beneficial – cheers to everyone.
Overview:
W2K3 SBS running AD (20 users), Exchange (1 mailbox = 1GB), DNS, DHCP with Netgear Ready NAS 1100 (used for backups)
New server to be installed with W2K8 SBS and all above functionality. I plan on using the NAS for backup-to-disk and then have a new LTO-3 drive for disk (NAS)-to-tape – can I use the built in backup tools to set this up?
I have a change to perform the prep work and created the answer file out of hours, as a precautionary measure. When would you advise performing the Windows 2008 SBS server install and subsequent migrations, during business hours? The environment is very small which obviously helps; however I do not want to disrupt users. The file share is 50 GB and I was going to use a robocopy script to copy this at lunch time or out of hours. To get around the client’s request of maintaining the original server name I was going to use an alias – as previously suggested.
Any input/advice welcome.
about 3 years ago
John,
My migration Sbs 2003 to Sbs 2008 is at the mailboxes step for more than 24 hours and show as "running" Is is waiting for me to complete the steps manually as stated on your info below or will it finish some day?
•Migrate Exchange Server mailboxes/settings (document in the wizard walks you through the steps, using the Exchange native tools – not an SBS wizard)
Thanks for any info!
Kay Persaud
about 3 years ago
Jason S – For moving the files, after hours would definitely make sense. For moving the Exchange Server mailboxes, it is usually not very disruptive to do that during business hours.
Kay – I haven’t run into any problems like this moving the mailboxes. It has happened relatively quickly for me during my migrations (depending on the size of the mailboxes). How big is the mailbox store? The move process is pretty resiliant, in that if it does run into a problem you can usually safely bail out of it and just kick it off again later. If the mailboxes are large, I usually just do a few at a time.
Best wishes,
John
about 3 years ago
John,
Since this is my 1st try at the migration I wasn’t sure if by clicking on the wizard will move the mailboxes. I guess the wizard points to the direction how to move the mailboxes. I follow the instructions and migrate the boxes with not problem. Questions, will the "running" change when all the steps are completed?
Thanks,
Kay Persaud
about 3 years ago
Hi
Thank you for a great article, is there a way to do migration after sbs 2008 is installed ; problem is I have installed SBS 2K8 STD for a client ;
We just want to migrate user accounts and mailboxes from sbs 2003 ;
would be grateful for your advise
SBS
about 3 years ago
Sorry, but I can’t think of any way to migrate user accounts and mailbox after you have SBS2008 up and running.
about 3 years ago
Kay,
Yes, "Running" should change to "Complete" or something along those lines when the mailboxes are done moving over.
John
about 3 years ago
I have finish the sbs 2008 migration and it seems fine, except no users in the SBS Console; however users are migrated because they do show up in AD MyBusiness.
Thanks,
Kay Persaud
about 3 years ago
Hi John:
Any suggestions on how to transfer all roles from an SBS 2008 server to a windows 2003 server DC? My client has to join the new corporate domain, and we are looking to transfer everything to the second server, rebuild the first server on the new domain and then transfer the data back. Any ideas would be very helpful and really appreciated!
thanks in advance,
Mat
about 3 years ago
I am trying to migrate a SBS 2003 to SBS 2008 that came preinstalled. I invested some time on it and I don’t want to format and reintall SBS 2008 in migration mode. Is there a way to do this migration without installing in migration mode?
about 3 years ago
Hi,
Just a tip if you have :
Windows 2008 Server Migration Wizard has stop working error.
It’s because you remove the device with the awser file (usb key or cd) and migrationWizard can’t acces to sbsanswerfile.xml file…
(lost 3 hours on this…)
about 3 years ago
Hi,
Great info! Thanks for the time spent on replies too. Could you give me an idea of roughly how long the migration would take? We have a 40GB store approx. And is it possible to keep mail flowing by doing this during office hours while both are live?
Many Thanks for your time.
G
about 3 years ago
Here is a comprehensive migration from SBS2003 to SBS2008 that allows a reversal, and doesn’t change the name of the SBS: http://www.swingmigration.com
about 3 years ago
Hi every one,
I am about to migrate from sbs 03 to sbs 08. i have orderd pre-installed sbs 2008 operating systems from dell. Now i dont know how would I migrate from old to new. do I still need to wipe the new sbs 08 and start installing it again for migration?
Any help will be apreciated..
thanks,
about 3 years ago
Hi ,
I have just migrated from 2003 to SBS2008 and followed all the migration steps but i have a small problem with the internet access.
I think at some point ive taken away some responsibility from the old server which has left the whole network including the SBS2008 server without internet access.
I can’t seem to pinpoint what exactly is wrong with the server, have i missed something in the migration to do with DNS settings?
@Ali
You will need to begin a fresh installation of SBS2008 using a migration answer file to do the migration.
about 3 years ago
Has anyone seen the fax wizard stop working message? I’ve reported to microsoft but current know issues. I’ve uninstalled fax services but still no luck. services appear to be running in the background ok.
Just cannot use wizard?
I’ve run all the migration wizard steps (fax failed)
The wizard had email greyed out and sharepoint greyed out but I found the registry keys sorted sharepoint but not email. Any ideas?
about 3 years ago
Happy New Year to all.
Thanks for the info!.
Today I tried to migrate from Windows 2000 SBS to Windows 2008 SBS (64 bit) and had major problems.
I did run adprep /forestprep and adprep /domainprep on the Windows 2000 SBS source server. I then joined the Windows 2008 SBS to the Windows 2000 SBS domain as a member server. After this I tried to DCPROMO /ADV the Windows 2008 SBS server and it looked like it was working and got "The replication operation failed to allocate memory". I am stuck now. Any ideas? Thanks and Regards
about 3 years ago
Happy new year as well. my problem is similar to #86 though in my case it is a Windows 2000 server also going to 2008 sbs x64. (like #86)After this I tried to DCPROMO /ADV the Windows 2008 SBS server and it looked like it was working and got "The replication operation failed to allocate memory"—stuck on this one someone on another forum mentioned trying to migrate to a 2003 server. i just restored the 2000 server from my backup taken right before that incident. does anyone have a way procedure,link,ms reference or even a book detailing this process. i mean ms should have a way to do this even as a one way trip, i would gladly reload the old server after i have transfered roles etc. but its in production environ so im forced to work after hours on this one any help shoot me an email (realjavad@~@verizon.net) remove the ~@ thanks in advance
about 3 years ago
Does this work from a Windows 2000 Standard Server to SBS2008?
Thanks
about 3 years ago
I can confirm that the Migration tools DO NOT work from Windows 2000 to SBS2008.
I have a blog post here on Windows 2003 with Exchange 2003 to SBS2008: demazter.wordpress.com/…/migrate-windows
I and am currently working through the 2000 to SBS2008 but it’s proving a little "rocky" to say the least. As soon as I have worked out the steps I will post them here and on my blogsite.
I suppose an "easy" option if it were available would be to perform an in-place upgrade of your 2000 server to 2003 but there are of course reasons why this may not be a possibility.
about 3 years ago
Well I have now had 13 failed Virtual Migrations and I have tried everything I can think of.
The only suggestion I can make is that you perform an inplace upgrade from Windows 2000 to Windows 2003 and then follow my guide
The other option if you don’t want to do an inplace upgrade would be to do the following:
> Install a temporary server in a Virtual Machine (this could either be a Windows 2003 or Windows 2008)
> Make this new server a domain controller by running DCPROMO
> Transfer the FSMO roles to the new server
> DCPROMO the Windows 2000 server so it is no longer a domain controller
Then follow my Migration guide.
Migration guide: demazter.wordpress.com/…/migrate-windows
about 3 years ago
If your interested in what I went through and are still unsure of whether to attempt the 2000-SBS2008 migration and are considering following some of the other blogs out there that suggest it works have a quick read of: demazter.wordpress.com/…/migrate-windows
about 3 years ago
I’m currently at the end of a SBS 2003 to SBS 2008 migration and am ready to uninstall Exchange 2003 before demoting the 2003 box. When running the Windows Small Business Server 2003 setup from add/remove programs I’m told after checking the components that "Windows Small Business Server 2003 cannot be installed on a domain controller that is not assigned the operations master roles".
I can’t check the box to accept this and move forward to the components section to uninstall Exchange and finish the demotion.
With the FSMO roles on the new SBS 2008 box, surely this is some kind of mix up? I’m apprehensive about temporarily transferring the roles to run in the uninstallation.
Any thoughts/advice much appreciated!
about 3 years ago
There is a migration whitepaper on migrating SBS 2000 to SBS 2008 to be found here:
http://www.microsoft.com/…/details.aspx
Philip
about 3 years ago
John, Many thanks for this page. I am gaining a lot of usefull information. I have a quick question related to sbs2003 to sbs2008 migration. In the case of buying a new server hardware which comes with an OEM version of SBS2008 pre-installed, how would one go about the migration? Do I need to wipe that off and just start from scratch or is there some way to work with this? I have not even turned the new box on yet waiting until I find an answer to this.
Thanks in advance.
about 3 years ago
Johnathon > the OEM should only have performed the initial installation and when you turn the server on it should start to perform the final installation steps.
If your migrating before you turn your new server on, follow the steps to prepare the 2003 server for migration. Create the answerfile and place this on removeable storage or a floppy drive. Insert this into your new server and turn it on.
You should see a screen about starting migration. If you don’t see this screen and you are asked for a domain name, servername and netbiosname then you will need to wipe the machine and start the build again.
Philip > it’s worth noting that guide is not really a migration from SBS 2000 to SBS 2008. The first section of the article actually gets you to export all the exchange data to PST’s and then later you remove exchange.
The only part you are actually migrating is your Active Directory and this is done by introducing a temporary Windows 2008 server.
Glen Knight http://demazter.wordpress.com
about 3 years ago
Thanks for explaining all this, was very useful. But I am still new to migration process and dont know where to strat from.
Actually, I have SBS 2008 server with pre-installed OS. Now I want to migrate from SBS 2003 to SBS 2008 and I want it with minimum work and less technical stuff.
Now I was wondering how can we start migration if you have SBS 2008 already installed. In migration mode, do we install the server from scratch and use answer file? if yes, then i was not sure about Administrator account that we should create a new one. if we dont have Server installed yet how do we create admin account to use in migration mode? or is it admin of SBS 2003? found a couple of rather useful videos by http://www.videorolls.com/…/Getting-up-to-S still think it better consult a professional.
about 2 years ago
If the server came with SBS2008 pre-installed then it should have only been partially installed in which case you should be able to supply the answerfile at first boot.
If this is not the case then you have no choice but to perform a fresh installation.
When you go through the install after it has finished copying files you need to supply the answerfile generated by the sourcetool. Put this on a USB flashdrive so that it is scanned by the installation.
If you are at all in any doubt I would recommend hiring the services of someone who is familiar with the migration process.
about 2 years ago
Glen – Thank you for all of your great responses in the comments here!
about 2 years ago
Hi John, no worries, happy to help where I can
about 2 years ago
We have sbs2000 as primary dc and exchange, and also a 2003 standard as secondary. Now we want to migrate sbs2000 to sbs2008, is there any special consideration rather than following the migration whitepaper on migrating SBS 2000 to SBS 2008 before migration.
I would appreciate any help here!
about 2 years ago
Yes – I would follow the migration whitepaper. They are usually pretty good.
about 2 years ago
Thank you John. We followed the migration whitepaper, now the migration wizard gave us an error like needing service pack 2 for exchange 2003 on source server. We only have sbs 2000 and exchange 2000, we don’t know where that error comes from. Is that because we have a windows 2003 server as secondary DC? I don’t know if you had any similar experience before, any comments would appreciate!
about 2 years ago
Sorry Jen, I haven’t run into that one before.
about 2 years ago
There is no way to migrate from SBS2000 to SBS2008 directly.
You would need to export all the Exchange Data from SBS2000 to PST files using Exmerge (detailed instructions on my blogsite here: http://demazter.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/export-mailboxes-using-exmerge-and-exchange-2003/) then join a Window 2003 server to the SBS2000 domain.
Make this Windows 2003 server a domain controller, transfer all the roles (DNS/DHCP/FSMO roles) to the new 2003 domain controller.
Once you have done this remove Exchange from SBS2000 and DCPROMO it so it’s no longer a domain controller.
You can then join the SBS2008 Server to the Windows 2003 domain as per my guide here: http://demazter.wordpress.com/2010/02/12/migrate-windows-2003-with-exchange-to-small-business-server-2008/
about 2 years ago
I’m just about to upgrade from SBS2003 to SBS2008 and want to at the same time change my internal IP from 192.168.1.13 to 192.168.16.13. Should I perform all the migrations and use a 192.168.1.xx IP address then change the new server to the new IP and run the internet connection wizard? Or should I do it during the migration in the answer file and enter the new ip address?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
about 2 years ago
I would probably change the IP adresses AFTER doing the migration and making sure everything works correctly.
about 2 years ago
As you are changing the subnet that the server on, changing during migration will not work.
My advice as John has written above would be to complete the migration using the same IP range then change the IP address once everything has been migrated and the SBS2003 server has been decomissioned.
Once the migration is complete on the SBS2008 server change the IP address, restart and then run the Fix my network wizard to ensure all is updated correctly.
about 2 years ago
Hi
I am about to do a migration from SBS 2003 to SBS 2008. At the present time we have a third party application that is sitting on SQL server on our SBS 2003 machine. Ideally I would like to migrate from one server to the other, move all my applications etc over and then after I have sorted all that out, I want to set up the second server (Premium Edition) with Sql Server on it so that the Third Party company can reload their software on there when I have finished the migration. Is this possible. Will our payroll department (who are using the third party software on the old server) still be able to access that software for the 21 days, or will it no longer by accessible. I am just a little confused as to this 21 days business. Are files etc still accessible to client computers in the 21 day period, or will all client automatically point to the new server and ignore the old one.
about 2 years ago
Hi Helen,
The servers will both be fully functional for the 21 days.
Thanks
Glen
about 2 years ago
hello john
so lt me get this right, you cant migrative for 2003 sbs to 2008 sbs if the 2003 server is also the gate way (well im doing now and i cant get past that part) does it mean ill have to redo the network
Nathan
about 2 years ago
SBS 2008 no longer supports running ISA Server as an integrated part of the solution, so yes before you can upgrade to SBS2008 you need to switch to a separarte router (e.g. a $40 Linksys router if that’s all you need). There are a lot of small business routers available out there which are loaded with features.
about 2 years ago
thanks john,
yeah i just redid the network and disabled the 2nd NIC, now i just have to sort some “journal_warp” issue.
first server ive migration, still have 4 to go
cheers
Nathan
about 2 years ago
Thanks! This has really helped!
about 2 years ago
I have an SBS2k8 server that is about to get upgraded to completely new hardware. What is your recommendations to take the existing SBS2k8 server and move it to the new hardware which will run SBS2k8 as well? Will this guide prep me for that event and/or are there any caveats I should be aware of. Thanks!
about 2 years ago
Spencer,
Essentially, what you’ll need to do is hook the new server up to the network, move all of the FSMO roles over to it, migrate Exchange to it, and then finally decommission the old server (at which point you could load a different Server operating system, such as Windows Server 2008 R2, onto the old server’s hardware). Note that you absolutely cannot leave two Small Business Servers running in the same domain, as the one that does not have all of the FSMO roles will start randomly shutting down after a grace period is exceeded. This is all very delicate work, so I would recommend finding someone who has some experience doing migrations such as this to help.
Best of luck,
John
about 2 years ago
Hi John,
Just wanted to show my appreciation for this article and to say how cool it is that you’re still supporting it over a year after its creation.
I’m in the midst of a migration myself and I’m sure I will be using this as a reference throughout the process.
about 2 years ago
Mike,
Thanks, and best of luck with your migration.
John
about 2 years ago
Hi John
I have a unfished migration of a SBS2003 to SBS2008 server. The SBS2003 wont allow the uninstall of the Exchange server becuase of permision problems and cant really demote the server until this is done.
Another thing is that it also shuts down because of the SBS2008 server.
Is there a way to remove all the settings manually from the SBS2008 that is in the Active directory and Exchange link that is also still present.
about 1 year ago
I am planning to try this file server and if works well, i will surely introduce this to my friends and colleagues. I wish you to have more posts. i would personally love to read and try them.. I wish you more luck and success …
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